Sacramento Speaking...
I'd say that you can trust a writer when she/he confesses a love of what the Academy disdains. or what serious readers collectively spite. in other words, readers who take their reading seriously can, or should, admit to what is glossed over as trash. that includes poets in the Academy who are not serious readers but take their reading seriously, too.
-Richard Lopez.
that should make the case for Steely Dan. one CAN be serious about their trash (its a common currency in this world). Richard's July 26th post, and Eileen's i would recommend, but she is all over the place, which this blogger appreciates, and i couldn't find the one Richard refers to.
in other news...
el pobre Mouse springs back to life this fall. We begin our work on the 1st of september. the current deadline is rolling, but if you're ate, you'll be sorry.
ok, eaten. if you're late, we'll be sorry too.
curious about what zines or journals impact you. please leave any notes you're gracious enough to provide. i am wondering if (editorially guided) context matters, or if the assemblage itself is context?
i'm leaning towards editorial context, porbably to have a more active role as editor. and to redefine how i think about editing - from culling "the bests" to surveying a particular locale, be it geographic, topic, ideologic, formal, etc.
could i get away with saying formic? how i am informed by it?
i submit blogs as trash. a kind of daily garbage hunt that can be most rewarding. epiphanies wilt so fast anyway, compared to a three legged chair with a torn slip, and pages of a burned book. both of which recently were offered on the street.
in the virtual junkyard, a guy in texas, tells us about drivers responses to his walking in a lightningstorm. in tokyo, this french bloke (at last! foreign language blogs!) is deeply infatuated with architecture and vintage depeche mode.
samples:
this is from a series called, yes "black celebration". ecstatic.
to end on a meditative note: http://bxmppfo.blogspot.com/. MUFFIN3LUCY's about me lists 15 concurrent blogs. at points, they richocet, mutate and echo each other. how "pineapple pound cake recipe" on fpudii becomes "poem by ezra pound" (hulugz) becomes "phoenix dog pound" (rwukkbot) "pennies per pound" on pmvdgtf. jackson maclow comes to mind. and leaves : these are SHARP - silly screenshots of our vast _____. pick yr nouns carefully (mrb, this means you). sharp is one link from silly. maybe one 1/4 second / 1/8th".
here's another side of our Tokyo francais correspondant:
fantastique, non?
photos courtesy antoniosugizo.
a minute later, a "Yiddish speakin', terrorist hatin', Israel-lovin', iced-coffee drinkin', pool playin' sista of Zion" holding forth on Waylon Jennings "Ladies Love Outlaws" turns her attention to the follwoing question from Bec: 1. if you had to go back in time to live during one of the following periods in history, which would you choose, and why? a) the pogroms during the 1880s, b) poland, 1940, c) the period that we were slaves in egypt.
the question is in red type, the answer in orange.
-Richard Lopez.
that should make the case for Steely Dan. one CAN be serious about their trash (its a common currency in this world). Richard's July 26th post, and Eileen's i would recommend, but she is all over the place, which this blogger appreciates, and i couldn't find the one Richard refers to.
in other news...
el pobre Mouse springs back to life this fall. We begin our work on the 1st of september. the current deadline is rolling, but if you're ate, you'll be sorry.
ok, eaten. if you're late, we'll be sorry too.
curious about what zines or journals impact you. please leave any notes you're gracious enough to provide. i am wondering if (editorially guided) context matters, or if the assemblage itself is context?
i'm leaning towards editorial context, porbably to have a more active role as editor. and to redefine how i think about editing - from culling "the bests" to surveying a particular locale, be it geographic, topic, ideologic, formal, etc.
could i get away with saying formic? how i am informed by it?
i submit blogs as trash. a kind of daily garbage hunt that can be most rewarding. epiphanies wilt so fast anyway, compared to a three legged chair with a torn slip, and pages of a burned book. both of which recently were offered on the street.
in the virtual junkyard, a guy in texas, tells us about drivers responses to his walking in a lightningstorm. in tokyo, this french bloke (at last! foreign language blogs!) is deeply infatuated with architecture and vintage depeche mode.
samples:
this is from a series called, yes "black celebration". ecstatic.
to end on a meditative note: http://bxmppfo.blogspot.com/. MUFFIN3LUCY's about me lists 15 concurrent blogs. at points, they richocet, mutate and echo each other. how "pineapple pound cake recipe" on fpudii becomes "poem by ezra pound" (hulugz) becomes "phoenix dog pound" (rwukkbot) "pennies per pound" on pmvdgtf. jackson maclow comes to mind. and leaves : these are SHARP - silly screenshots of our vast _____. pick yr nouns carefully (mrb, this means you). sharp is one link from silly. maybe one 1/4 second / 1/8th".
here's another side of our Tokyo francais correspondant:
fantastique, non?
photos courtesy antoniosugizo.
a minute later, a "Yiddish speakin', terrorist hatin', Israel-lovin', iced-coffee drinkin', pool playin' sista of Zion" holding forth on Waylon Jennings "Ladies Love Outlaws" turns her attention to the follwoing question from Bec: 1. if you had to go back in time to live during one of the following periods in history, which would you choose, and why? a) the pogroms during the 1880s, b) poland, 1940, c) the period that we were slaves in egypt.
the question is in red type, the answer in orange.
posted by Kyle at 4:06 PM
10 Comments:
Hey Kyle,
It's the July 24 post on
http://chatelaine-poet.blogspot.com/
I have read more Danielle Steel than any romance "covered" by Fabio.
Cheers,
Eileen
What's the deal with disdain for the "academy"? And where is the academy, by the way? Mission bus to 16th Street, walk three blocks and bam, in stucco: collective disdain?
As if Flaubert weren't serious and seriously trashy at the same time: remember Madame Bovary was banned as pornographic (i.e. TRASH).
Interesting aesthetics, academic or no, are INCLUSIVE, not exclusive.
Zukofsky:
Reject no one
and
Debase nothing.
This is all around
Intellect.
Thaks Eileen. May I recommend Steely Dan then? And e, why does your not disdaining seem so disdainful? Isnt the academy where you go to get your degree, and the mind you receive there, and the carrying forth of it? Why am I reading that zukofsky quote like its an evangelical slap from Matther 2:13?
Sympathetically, I dont think its so much colelctive disdain as it is a necessary skepticism of power. Even in the remote reaches of poetry. Even at ol Naropa, where I went. Shits strong.
No! The "academy" is none of those things! Sounds like a poetic cold war. Are you suggesting the Academy of American Poets = Mother Russia (in the poetic parlance)?
And as for the Zuk: enough sticks; carrots? i.e. Quit slapping.
No disdain save in this: no use blaming any abstract OTHER for the mind you have, the degree you got, etc. Your $40,000 MFA is yours, isn't it? e.g. your mind, your art (heart), is a handmade thing. So make it.
i'll quit snapping when you quit being anonymous. the academy is (among other things) a way of thinking, yes. but why such investment in it? that wasn't even the part of lopez's quote i was working with - UNLESS, as you are pointing, it is with the academy of me (but mind is not the same as ego, i.e. can we really say its mine (not yours)? mind is also communal,is also relation... the academy is the workings of a group of people, also a handmade thing.
you could also say the opposite...
(ie not a fruitful direction today)
like slapping isnt fun, doesnt wake you up. it does get tiring though. e, i wonder if your argument is elsewhere.
No, it's not elsewhere. And I didn't think I was being anonymous. I thought my tag was relatively clear, but if you really need me to spell it out for you, I will below.
You've missed the point. As long as you wish to make dichotomies between YOU and THEM (be it the academy or whatever), you're rejecting part of the world. Hence the quote from Zuk in response to your quote on the top of your blog: "I'd say that you can trust a writer when she/he confesses a love of what the Academy disdains. or what serious readers collectively spite". I mean: can you say paranoia? Who does he think is out to get him? Or get poetry for that matter? Is this the EXCULSIVE "EXCLUDED", if so it may be just as nasty as the EXCLUSIVE "INCLUDED".
That's not to say I'll be buying Billy Collins soon...
I'm just trying to prod you into feeling INCLUDED in the world of poetry (all of that world), in the light of your insistence that you are in its dark corners--you're not. And you've got the degree to prove it (for better or worse).
Best,
E(rik) to the A(nderson)
e to the and, my remarks were meant to be inclusive, of those within academe, too, tho one doesn't need a degree to be a writer at all. curious where yr coming from, since what i wrote evinces not a whit of paranoia but rather the need to expand the limits of what poets do and how they are in their living and reading lifes. the academy might just disdain collins too. who the fuck knows. however, it does not serve poetry well by getting all huffy about insisting on a life of writing and reading outside the structured walls of school. my piece of text kyle quoted was indeed rife with the thought that poetry is indeed inclusive, of all voices and people and the health of poetry might just lie outside the halls of higher learning. but poetic cold war? that is not even funny. and this isn't even a matter to get so exercised. go buy yr billy collins and yr collected billy corgan too.
peace out.
I read Danielle Steele in the seventh grade. I used to watch Carey M. pour over it. She had black hair and freckles. She was a bully, but I liked her. I wanted to get on her good side. I showed up the next day - Danielle Steel in hand. She was not impressed.
"Are you reading romance novels?" she asked.
"Yeah," I said. "It's pretty good."
She pointed me out to Abby and all the other smokers. They all laughed in unison.
It took me awhile to get it. I wasn't that quick when it came to people making fun of me. This was probably some type of defense mechanism on my part. Either that, or it had something to do with slow language acquisition. I'm not sure.
Anyway, I finished the book. That was a good feeling. I decided to read some more non-male books. I got "Flowers for Algernon," "Flowers in the Attic." Those are all I remember, but the Miss Steele started a conflagration of book reading that summer. I kept trying to find the racy ones. I was like, "When is it going to get juicy."
I haven't read a romance book since that summer. I wouldn't be opposed to reading one. I read anything really. I have no censor. Anything that will hold my interest.
I've even gone back and read the James Bond series just to see what they were about. It was pretty fun. They're nice to listen to on audio too. It revs my engines, you know?
I like the Darth Vader picture too.
I have nothing to add on the Lopez controversy. Richard has cleared things up. I would just say that questioning Acadamies and institutions is just a part of who I am. I also question teachers, friends, and family. I believe this helps open me to infinite possibilities.
I rarely feel like I'm alone or excluded when I am asking or checking how I feel about something. That is a real healthy act for me. I would like to d o it more.
Richard: don't
know how that
could be called
"inclusive" but
I'll trust your intent
-ions were so in
-clined. Now
now no need
to get personal: wasn't
meant to be
huffy, unless like
a bike, somewhat
speedy.
I love Steely Dan....driving through the night roads of an overheated summer involving Fresno, simply fabuloso to have Steely Dan on....which is not to say I privilege Steely Dan over, say, Chaka Khan in same context or that Steely Dan loses its groove (groove? Moi dates moiself) when on in rainy freeways in L.A.
anyhoo,
Eileen
p.s. Still, I won't read Danielle Steel or anything covered by Fabio while I'm driving.
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